Episode #441 for NAIDOC Week of All The Best podcast on FBI radio. Gus Fitzgerald, a surfer, swimmer and commercial diver, describes a life of lessons learnt from the man who taught him to swim. And Bridget Chappell interviews Yolngu cultural leader Timmy Burarrwanga about the history of pre-colonial contact between Makassarese of Indonesia and the Yolngu people of Arnhem land — a history rooted in sea cucumber.

Supervising producer: Mell Chun

Music: ‘Trepang: an Indigenous Opera’, ‘Gapala Bawaka’, songline sung by Timmy Burarrwanga.